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tenshi_strife · Jun 07, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

thats bull holy, cause think about it. earth is stable, and predictable. where as fire and air are erratic and uncontrollable. if you can control fire and air earth is not a problem.

zknifeh · Jun 07, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Never heard or seen obsidian flame spike?

I have... went against it once or 2ce in halls and saw it on TV with 8 E/Mo's spiking and had [skill]Glyph of energy[/skill] for their elite so they wouldnt get exhausted... that was waay long ago when factions just came out tho
but ya, would be nice to have some other strong earth skills like churning earth

Thomas.knbk · Jun 07, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by pnumm

Umm Doom, that makes no sense.

Sandstorm is a pretty awesome DPS skill, and water magic isn't really meant to deal direct damage either, but more to snare.

sandstorm is slightly higher DPS than firestorm, in exchange for your elite slot. It's only awesome because it lets you bring both offense and defense without spending all your attribute points. So yeah, you basically just proved Doom's point by saying Sandstorm is good.
Earthquake, Unsteady Ground and churning earth are not used for their damage, and honestly earthquake and unsteady ground suck pretty bad. There's no point in bringing up bad skills as
Obsidian Flame isn't high damage on a short recharge. Well, technically it is, but there's no way you're going to actually use its short recharge.
You just need to realise that offense in a defensive line is stronger than offense in an offensive line. That's why all earth offensive skills are actually pretty shit when looked at on their own. They need to be.

bhavv · Jun 07, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Move Mind Blast to earth magic.

Problem Solved. It sucks as a fire elite DPS wise anyway. And to furthur debate the argument that earth magic does in fact do terrific spike and AoE damage, I present to you my RA earth bar:

[skill]ebon hawk[/skill][skill]stoning[/skill][skill]glowstone[/skill][skill]obsidian flame[/skill][skill]sandstorm[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]earth attunement[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

Skyy High · Jun 07, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

bhavv, in a battle between you trying to spike a squishy, and an air ele trying to spike a squishy, the air ele would win. you might be able to beat the air ele just because of the knockdown, depending on his build...but the point is, earth's damage isn't as strong as other lines (obs flame spike excluded, but that requires multiple eles so the exhaustion per kill is spread out more).

Also, conjure earth does not exist so earth eles can't just bring 7 defensive skills and conjure and just sit there wanding, taking no damage.

Kale Ironfist · Jun 08, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Curse You

So do all (excluding Mind Blast) the Mind spells. They also all cost 5 energy and have 5 to 8 second recharges.

And have you had a look at their effects? Mind Shock knocks the target down, Mind Freeze has the ultimate snare. What does Obsidian Flame do? Just plain old damage.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Move Mind Blast to earth magic.

Problem Solved. It sucks as a fire elite DPS wise anyway.

You seem to be misunderstanding the point of the skill. It's energy management, not DPS. Soon after they buffed it to higher than Flare style damage, PvPers were using it in conjunction with Mark of Rodgort to perma-burn, DPS and thus add a lot of pressure WITHOUT RUNNING OUT OF ENERGY. That's why it got its buff removed.

Skyy High · Jun 08, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

And have you had a look at their effects? Mind Shock knocks the target down, Mind Freeze has the ultimate snare. What does Obsidian Flame do? Just plain old damage.

Actually, it doesn't do "plain old damage", it does armor ignoring type-less damage, the only elementalist spell to do so, which would seem to be a good trade off.

Faer · Jun 08, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

This thread was closed for the following reason(s):

1. Because I am mighty!

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Originally Posted by tenshi_strife

since the mods in their almighty wisdom took my afterthought as being 2 suggestions i will repost this without the ideas on conjure earth... is that ok with you oh mighty mods.

2. Opening post seems to be an effort to openly mock the staff of the site, rather than a serious attempt to suggest and discuss a change to the game.

Come back when you can play nice and by the rules, and then we'll talk.